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ratherastory) wrote2010-01-24 07:52 pm
ratherastory) wrote2010-01-24 07:52 pm
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Vessels, Consent, and Spanish (not necessarily in that order)
I've been posting Take Me Home on ff.net, because that's where I started my fanfic career (short as it may be right now), and several people have been commenting and mostly saying nice things. One in particular has been quite good about leaving reviews, except that she writes them all in Spanish.
The problem, of course, being that I don't speak a word of the language. I speak English and French fluently (French is my native language, for those of you who didn't know: I've spoken English for most of my life, and even been educated partly in the language, but French is my mother tongue), and I took enough Italian and German in high school and university to make myself understood if I need to, but I managed to bypass Spanish entirely.
So I've been trying to decipher her comments with my not-so-extensive knowledge of word derivations and how verbs get conjugated and how nouns get declined, and cobbling together something in-between French and Italian with half-baked memories of Sesame Street ("Manzana means apple!") to figure out just what the hell she's saying.
I'm not sure reading reviews should be that much work, but it's kind of fun, too.
Anyway, the other half of my post is me wondering just what the hell is up with angelic vessels. I don't remember Castiel's exact wording concerning Jimmy Novak (damn, now I have to go back and watch "Lazarus Rising" again), but I'm pretty sure he said something along the lines of him being... oh, screw it. I'm going to go look for that scene, it's bugging me. Hang on.
[INTERMISSION]
Okay. Castiel says, and I quote: "This, this is —a vessel. [...] He's a devout man, he actually prayed for this."
So here's my problem. Okay, wait, more than one problem. Castiel is very obviously a protagonist of the story now (it was more ambiguous to begin with), but the other angels pretty much aren't. Maybe there are others who will turn out not to be douchebags, but it remains to be seen. So.
1- Vessels need to consent to be possessed, right? Does that mean Zachariah & co. LIE to their vessels about their motivations? Or at least don't tell them everything/tell them half-truths/obfuscate what's really going on?
2- What about Uriel? I mean, he turned, right? He's a traitor to heaven and the other angels, totally joined up with Lucifer. Does his vessel get a say in that? I mean, here you are, a devout and religious person, you agree to be a vessel for what you think is an up-and-up angel, and instead you end up helping freaking LUCIFER. What about all the other angel/vessel combos who ended up turning to the Dark Side?
Basically, is there any indication that a vessel can revoke their consent once it's been given? It seems like that ought to be part of the initial contract, here.
The problem, of course, being that I don't speak a word of the language. I speak English and French fluently (French is my native language, for those of you who didn't know: I've spoken English for most of my life, and even been educated partly in the language, but French is my mother tongue), and I took enough Italian and German in high school and university to make myself understood if I need to, but I managed to bypass Spanish entirely.
So I've been trying to decipher her comments with my not-so-extensive knowledge of word derivations and how verbs get conjugated and how nouns get declined, and cobbling together something in-between French and Italian with half-baked memories of Sesame Street ("Manzana means apple!") to figure out just what the hell she's saying.
I'm not sure reading reviews should be that much work, but it's kind of fun, too.
Anyway, the other half of my post is me wondering just what the hell is up with angelic vessels. I don't remember Castiel's exact wording concerning Jimmy Novak (damn, now I have to go back and watch "Lazarus Rising" again), but I'm pretty sure he said something along the lines of him being... oh, screw it. I'm going to go look for that scene, it's bugging me. Hang on.
[INTERMISSION]
Okay. Castiel says, and I quote: "This, this is —a vessel. [...] He's a devout man, he actually prayed for this."
So here's my problem. Okay, wait, more than one problem. Castiel is very obviously a protagonist of the story now (it was more ambiguous to begin with), but the other angels pretty much aren't. Maybe there are others who will turn out not to be douchebags, but it remains to be seen. So.
1- Vessels need to consent to be possessed, right? Does that mean Zachariah & co. LIE to their vessels about their motivations? Or at least don't tell them everything/tell them half-truths/obfuscate what's really going on?
2- What about Uriel? I mean, he turned, right? He's a traitor to heaven and the other angels, totally joined up with Lucifer. Does his vessel get a say in that? I mean, here you are, a devout and religious person, you agree to be a vessel for what you think is an up-and-up angel, and instead you end up helping freaking LUCIFER. What about all the other angel/vessel combos who ended up turning to the Dark Side?
Basically, is there any indication that a vessel can revoke their consent once it's been given? It seems like that ought to be part of the initial contract, here.
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My take... you have no control once consent is made. The assumption is, angels would not be going darkside. Maybe when this law was made.. God hadn't decided to sit back and see how the kids act on their own. Turns out they don't do well without parental control!