Can I keep ranting about 5.13? This is about the biblical references therein.

[ratherastory]

Okay, folks. You know the drill. SPOILERS BELOW!

Kripke & co. have either never EVER read the Bible, or else they're totally twisting it with no regard whatsoever for the actual text. Which, y'know, television. Still, it's been bothering me since last week, so I went back and actually read the relevant portions of the Bible again.

Okay, so Michael gives Dean a huge long speech about the bloodlines descended from Cain and Abel, right? And a big long thing about him being like Abel, the dutiful older son, blah blah blah.

*BZZT*

WRONG!

I've had a fascination with the story of Cain and Abel ever since I read "East of Eden," so this really bugged me.

1- The whole story of Cain and Abel is based on the fact that Cain was the eldest son. He was pissed because he felt entitled to the Lord's regard because he was the eldest, whereas God judged them on the merits of their sacrifice.

So that comparison kind of falls flat right there.

2- Cain and Abel LEFT NO DESCENDANTS.

Let's take a look at Genesis 4:25, shall we? Abel had no children before he died. Problem solved. As for Cain, he did have children, but they didn't last very long. Wait for it.

Adam's third son Seth went off and had children, and Adam and Eve kept going at it like bunnies, but Noah is descended directly from Seth, and ALL of Adam's other children and descendants perished in the flood.

So, uh, WHUT?

WHAT THE HELL, KRIPKE?

Comments

[primrose-1.livejournal.com]

That's TRUE! I hadn't even thought about that! We're even studying Cain and Abel in Sunday School right now, so you'd think I'd have paid attention! You DO have the spouses of Noah's sons- they were probably descendants of Adams other children, but probably not Cain even then.

Ah well.

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

See? I'm not crazy! (At least, not about this)

I mean, Kripke & co. are free to take whatever liberties they want, it's their circus, but it's a bit annoying that they're presenting it as biblical truth.

[katwoman76.livejournal.com]

Several one-shots about this errors appeared in the last days. I personally would not know better, cause I'm not very well-versed in all that, but a lot of fans clearly saw the big big mistake.
Kripke, what have you done?

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

Unlike Sam and Dean, Kripke & co. obviously didn't do their research. ;)

[katwoman76.livejournal.com]

Yes, they obviously don't have a smart!Sammy with a side of library!Bobby in their team.

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

Go Team Research! ;)

[werty30.livejournal.com]

Lol at the "sometimes i think too much" tag. You should add "... and Kripke doesn`t" to that.

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

*snerk*

[dinalori.livejournal.com]

*snicker* You know what I'm loving about Kripke's entrance into Biblical territory? It's that after four years of me, as a neo-pagan, saying "That's not how that myth goes", "But according to the legend..." and "Sam Hain?? Are you out of your freaking mind???", now the rest of you get to experience the eye blinking-head scratching-what the heck are the writers smoking moments that I've been enjoying all this time.

So welcome to my world. Yeah, the writers squeeze, twist and mangle as needed to fit the story needs. Get used to it. *grins*

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

Oh, I have been doing the "WTF, Kripke?" thing with the pagan stuff too. I'm not a neo-pagan or anything close by any stretch of the imagination, but most of my friends are, and have been practicing for fifteen or twenty years. They take it very seriously, do their homework, and one of them is a published author. So, yeah, I feel your pain. This is just the first time that I've actually had enough source material at hand to confirm that Kripke is on crack.

(Don't get me started on "Sam Hain." Guh. *headdesk* That's almost as bad as the "ancient Wiccan artifacts" from The Da Vinci Code.)

[dinalori.livejournal.com]

Ha! Yeah, those kind of things make me *facepalm* too. Does *no one* research a subject before using it in fiction anymore?

I've learned to accept that SPN operates in an alternate universe that only resembles ours. *nods*

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

Does *no one* research a subject before using it in fiction anymore?

Diligent fanfic writers!

I need an icon of Sam and Dean in that library scene from "Hook Man" with the caption Team Research on it. Clearly.

SPN must be an AU. No other explanation for how they play fast and loose with religious text. ;)

[dinalori.livejournal.com]

Does *no one* research a subject before using it in fiction anymore?

Diligent fanfic writers!

True that!

I need an icon of Sam and Dean in that library scene from "Hook Man" with the caption Team Research on it.

Give me an hour or so, I can whip up a basic icon for you. I've got an idea for a better one though, that will probably take me until tomorrow night. Or longer if tomorrow nights episode is good.

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

REALLY?!?

HOLY SHIT I WILL LOVE YOU FOREVER!

I am not in a hurry, either, so whenever you manage to do it is fine.

Would you like a ficlet in return?

*tackles you and hugs you to DEATH*

[dinalori.livejournal.com]

*laughs* It's no big deal. The only reason it'll take some time is that I'm on a "new" second hand computer. So I have to reinstall all my graphics programs and find an image online to use since I don't have screencapping ability anymore.

Though I'll never say no to good fic you don't have to write anything in return. Consider it payment for everything you've written already. :D

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

Excellent. I'll see what I can come up with. I'm toying with a sort-of-tag-thing to 5.13.

I am exactly 100% useless with all things visual. Words are my medium, and I'm sticking to that. ;)

I am SO EXCITED you have no idea!

Sorry for the double-reply, part of my sentence got lost there. :P

[dinalori.livejournal.com]

*Blegh!* Well, this sucks. It needs to be cropped closer and maybe lightened up a bit so you can see Sam better and I'm not happy with the font. But it's after midnight here and I won't do any better until after a good night sleep, so here's a *very* rough draft of the basic one I promised.

(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v309/DinaLori/?action=view&current=Team_Research_Icon.jpg)

*grumpy sigh* I need to seriously work on it. >:-(

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

Awesome! I am looking forward to the cleaned-up version! :D

[essenceofmeanin.livejournal.com]

kripke: *hefts biblical canon* says, 'go long!'

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

*dies laughing*

[maychorian.livejournal.com]

LOL, obviously our Bible is wrong. ::rolls eyes:: They gave that line to Castiel in 5.06 when he gets all exasperated and said that our Bible gets more wrong than it does right. So yeah.

WHATEVER, KRIPKE.

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

Riiiiiiiight. That must be it. I forgot about Castiel's little throwaway line. Must be because 5.06 wasn't all that memorable.

[claudiapriscus.livejournal.com]

Not off of this in particular, but a whole legion of things like this big and small-

I always kind of end up laughing when people start accusing the show of becoming a mouthpiece of evangelical Christianity.

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

HAHAHA THEY DO?

Umm... WTF? It's about as Christian as Xena: Warrior Princess. :P

Oh well. I suppose it's because of the monotheistic angle + angels thing. People who don't know much about Christianity could get fooled, I guess.

[claudiapriscus.livejournal.com]

I think it's just the usual fandom insanity.

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

Ah, fandom. It's like a merry-go-round of crazy. :D

[claudiapriscus.livejournal.com]

Just when you think you've seen every flavor, it surprises you.