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ratherastory ([personal profile] ratherastory) wrote2010-04-09 06:03 pm

Two extra thoughts about 5.17

Back home, and I think LJ is letting me post again...

So why is it that when SAM wants to have a normal life and a family, it's wrong and selfish and hurtful to his family, but when DEAN wants it everyone goes "AAAAAAAWWWWW!"

Is it because Sam actually tried to get it for himself, whereas Dean is apparently willing to throw himself on the proverbial grenade? What?

The double-standard makes me sad.

:(


Also, I am SERIOUSLY ANNOYED by the Whore of Babylon thing. Come on, SPN. You can stop being so blatantly misogynistic any day now. :(

[identity profile] hoodietime.livejournal.com 2010-04-10 12:12 am (UTC)(link)
I personally love that Sam tried to get a normal life. It’s probably the only healthy thing anyone in his family has done, haha, and I don’t get the fans who think that he was wrong just because it hurt Dean’s feelings or whatever. I don’t even think Dean thinks he’s wrong – as he said in Scarecrow he’s actually proud of Sam for standing up to their dad like that – but at this point in the show, after s4 and what happened last week, he doesn’t think Sam loves him, the way he loves Sam, so entirely, and is doubting what all of Sam's choices have meant.

It’s obvious to me that Sam DOES love him that much, but I can see why it isn't to Dean. Uh, I’m obviously one of those AWWW, Dean people. Sorry! ;) I do really feel for them both.

More on topic, I think the idea of Dean wanting a family, or Sam wanting a family, for that matter, would be very different than it was earlier in the series, because there seems to be little hope of it ever happening now. So it's just more tragic than anything else.

[identity profile] ratherastory.livejournal.com 2010-04-10 12:17 am (UTC)(link)
I think I'm coming off as being unsympathetic to Dean, which is totally not the case.

I'm entirely on board with you when you say Sam's breaking away is the only healthy thing anyone in his family has done.

Oh, boys. They're BREAKING MY HEART.

[identity profile] hoodietime.livejournal.com 2010-04-10 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
Aw, I know you love Deano too! ;D

I just felt the need to ramble a bit on the subject. I've seen Sam!hate before, but I've actually come across a lot of Dean!hate after the last episode, which is making me sad. How do people hate either of them? This is like when I was in Veronica Mars fandom, and half the fandom hated Veronica. DOES NOT COMPUTE.

[identity profile] ratherastory.livejournal.com 2010-04-10 12:26 am (UTC)(link)
I don't get it either.

I can't bring myself to hate either of them. Right now I am VERY ANGRY with Dean, but I'm sad and heartbroken for him too, poor bunny.

I WANT MY BOYS FIXED!

*weeps*

[identity profile] hoodietime.livejournal.com 2010-04-10 12:32 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not even angry at him. He really thinks he has nothing, but of course we know he has Sammyyy! I'm really hoping Sam will get to step up and save the day this time around, and it looks like it's heading in that direction.

Ugh, I want next week's episode NOW. I swear I'm more excited for it than I was for the season premiere.

[identity profile] ratherastory.livejournal.com 2010-04-10 12:39 am (UTC)(link)
I really hope so. Dean needs a break from saving the world all the time, and Sam needs to step up to the plate after all this time.

Next week had better take a step toward fixing things, even a tiny bit. I don't know if my heart can take this. :(

[identity profile] hoodietime.livejournal.com 2010-04-10 12:45 am (UTC)(link)
Seriously. I LIKE a bit of bleakness in books, TV, etc., but this has really gone on far enough. There needs to be bro!hugs, stat!

[identity profile] ratherastory.livejournal.com 2010-04-10 12:47 am (UTC)(link)
Kittens and puppies and DAFFODILS, I tell you!

[identity profile] mimblexwimble.livejournal.com 2010-04-11 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I don’t even think Dean thinks he’s wrong – as he said in Scarecrow he’s actually proud of Sam for standing up to their dad like that.

THIS. Dean's just not having a good time right now and everything is getting under his skin, everything is going to make him feel insecure and unsure of himself. I'm trying not to worry though because he has Sam and Sam's learned a heck of a lot from what happened last season and I think he'll be able to use his mistakes to make this better. I HOPE.