*sadface*

[ratherastory]

I sometimes wonder what show people are watching.

Clearly, it's not the same one I am.

If you need me, I will be over here in my happy bubble that is free of ship wars, character-bashing, and show-bashing in general.

Comments

[hiddenfacade.livejournal.com]

I couldn't agree more.

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

Thank God. I love my corner of fandom. :)

[icelily01.livejournal.com]

Amen, my friend.

Amen.

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

OMG YOUR ICON I CAN'T EVEN!

...

Okay, I'm calm.

CAAAAAS!

...

Apparently I lied. Not calm. YOUR ICON! *dies a bit*


*sigh*

Oh, fandom, why so bashy?

[de-nugis.livejournal.com]

Well, it's kind of more an angsty bubble than a happy bubble for me, since it's mostly "OMG you Winchesters and friends all have such horrible things happen to you all the time I want to bring you tea and blankets," but I am all in favor of the non-bashing.

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

Angst makes me happy. This probably makes me a bad person.

I don't get the vitriolic hatred toward one brother or the other (the bashing is usually reserved for Sam or Dean, I've pretty much never seen it directed at another character). I really don't.

I understand being angry and upset about what's happening on the show. Lying to your brother? Bad. Selling your soul? Bad. Drinking demon blood? Bad. But they're all human choices, flaws that make up the character and make for compelling stories. I wouldn't be interested in a show in which the main characters were perfect, and as much as I enjoy the MANPAIN (seriously, I really do), I actually like there to be real character flaws in my characters.

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

Vent away! That's what I was doing, though less eloquently than you. :)

You've summed up a great deal of how I feel about the Show myself.

[heartlessbytchh.livejournal.com]

Is this a pg rated thread? Or can I say a few XXX words?

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

Nothing PG here. Cuss all you like. :)

[saberivojo.livejournal.com]

Me too. I get frustrated and worried and scared for and about the boys but I love Show.

Sometimes I think I must be an idiot. Like - Am I so stupid I am missing all the obviously horrible crap that is going on?

*holds my stupid sign gleefully*

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

Horrible crap in the show? Or in fandom? I don't see it in the show either, and maybe you just lucked out on your flist. :)

[claudiapriscus.livejournal.com]

chocolate?

This is why I love my flist- it's full of people who have interesting things to say about Show, and are aware of and can discuss its flaws, but still love it to little bitty pieces and stay away from the idiotic tendency to take "sides" (seriously? How can you take sides? Especially over things the characters themselves don't feud over).

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

Chocolate sounds good at this point.

I am always happy to read a good meta on Show and its flaws, but some people's view of it is so damned skewed I am convinced they're watching a show that's been edited differently than the one I've been watching.

[randomfangirl29.livejournal.com]

I agree, I enjoy my non show bashing bubble.

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

We should totally make our bubbles intersect!

[tahirire.livejournal.com]

I've been singing that particular song for ... oh, 3 years now? I cut my flist by maybe half last season, and I'm not afraid to whip back out the chainsaw if I have to.

I'll admit to being super sad over the way things have been going but just ... only because of how things are going. You know? I don't understand when people don't get that the characters are just reacting to their circumstances. Seriously.

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

I'm going to have to cut some more people, I think. It's sad, but their posts depress me to no end. I like their fic in some cases, but I don't think it's enough when they state outright that Sam is an evil [insert multiple expletives here] who makes a martyr out of Dean, and that Dean (and this is almost a quote) always bends over and grabs his ankles for him. Holy crap, dude. Where do they see this stuff? I am watching the same show, or at least I think I am, and I think they must be smoking some really wacky stuff.

The characters are human. They have major character flaws. It's what makes them interesting, creates tension and conflict, and makes for compelling stories. That they react to their circumstances in imperfect ways is desirable for a good story!

Meh.

Luckily, it's only a few. I don't appear to have attracted any of the Dean-haters, and there are only a few Sam-haters left that I can see. So I'll just be removing them shortly.

Even is Sam 'n' Dean is the most twisted-up, unhealthy thing ever, this is the truth about Show: there is no Sam without Dean, and there is no Dean without Sam.

[emmram.livejournal.com]

No bashing - all love, and angst. Lots and lots of angst. Yay!

And I totally agree with what you said there about flaws. I understand not being happy with certain aspects - sometimes Show really drives me up the wall, too - but show/character bashing? No.

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

LOVE AND ANGST. It should be a motto for the Show!

I am SO UNHAPPY right now I can't tell you! I find Sam's actions horrendous and awful and I think that, whatever is wrong with him (no soul or whatever), that he's still manipulating Dean and lying to him and GOD I THOUGHT WE WERE THROUGH WITH THAT AFTER SEASON 4, but do I hate Sam for it? No. I want Sam to be redeemed. I want Dean to be whole again, and for that to happen, Sam has to find a way to save himself.

[wave-obscura.livejournal.com]

I grumbled a bit yesterday about brotherlove and Dean's, ahem, outburst, but you know I always LOVE LOVE LOVE Show AND Sam AND Dean, right?

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

OF COURSE!

*huggles*

I am sad and appalled by the way the story is unfolding, but only because I care about them both! I agree with your take entirely, btw. h/c FTW!

[shadowsunrising.livejournal.com]

*pokes head out of own bubble to offer mutal thoughts and brownies*

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

*accepts brownies and offers you a cup of chai tea to go with them*

[ianthe-echo.livejournal.com]

*raises a glass* Agree with you completely, dear.

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

*clinks glasses with you*

I even have an appropriate SamnDean icon!

[heartlessbytchh.livejournal.com]

Gunter glieben glauchen globen
Alright
I got something to say

After all the bullshit last week, I'm tired of all the petty infighting amongst the fan groups.
How about instead of that charfangirl or this charfangirl, how about just everyone being Showfangirls?
Duhhhhh
This kind of shit is what will kill the show prematurely.

So here's my sentence I use when everything and everyone is pissing me off.
"Fuck those Fucking Fuckers!"

How's that for some 'nicely bandied words'? I like your user pic there btw.
Cracked me up! Hee!
Last week many of the weirder Sam chicks were like freaking out and all poor Sammy, he never gets the main story line.
*major facepalm*
Clueless hags are clueless. He IS the main story line. Dean is the vehicle that drives the story and tells us the story.

I felt sorry for the rest of the normal(iz there sucha thang?) Sam girls. They were very upset because Not!Sam let Dean get vamped.

And the board wars commenced. I'm sure Sera, Eric and the rest of cast and crew are laughing their asses off at the fans freakin' out.

I can't claim one character over the other. Why should I have to choose between choccy chip cookies and choccy chip ice cream?
Is this thing on? Am I making any sense at all?

Why can't everyone just STFU and enjoy the ride? This is more exhilarating than any lame ass rollercoaster.

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

I don't even like roller coasters!

Amen to this! Except I don't think fandom infighting will kill the show, frankly. Ratings are what make or break the show, so if people watch, then it'll keep playing. :)

I saw a bit of the Extreme Sam!girls freaking out last week, but they're not on my radar as much for some reason.

[embroiderama]

I'll be there with you!

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

YAY!

[heartlessbytchh.livejournal.com]

Rath, the infighting kills the ratings I think. Just my opinion. Your mileage may vary.
*smishes you close*

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

God, I hope not!

At least if they're fighting it means they're still watching, right?

*wibbles and clings to you*

[maenad.livejournal.com]

Hi. Hope you don't mind - just popping in to commiserate as a fellow sufferer of 'Oh, look! Supernatural meta! I'll just rea - oh God. Back button. BACK BUTTON!' syndrome. :)

The Sam hatred puzzles me. Do people not get that this is Sam's worst nightmare? No, he isn't sobbing prettily over it right now - but that's kind of the point. If he were in enough of his right mind to be freaked out, this problem wouldn't exist in the first place. It doesn't make it less tragic or less unfair to him - or to Dean. And 'tragic and unfair' is basically the definition of their lives ...

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

Pop in by all means! I am always happy to have like-minded people drop by. :)

The Sam hatred puzzles me. Do people not get that this is Sam's worst nightmare? No, he isn't sobbing prettily over it right now - but that's kind of the point. If he were in enough of his right mind to be freaked out, this problem wouldn't exist in the first place. It doesn't make it less tragic or less unfair to him - or to Dean. And 'tragic and unfair' is basically the definition of their lives ...

THIS. YES.

[heartlessbytchh.livejournal.com]

For the record...
I don't know if y'all are fans of whichever Winchester Brother. It shouldn't matter. They're in it together. We are too. They have each other, broken and twisted as they are. We do too.
*hugs Rathy*

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

Most of my flist tend to be bi-bro, for what it's worth. :)

[sistabro]

*puts fingers in ears* La, la, la, I can't hear you, you bashers you!

Seriously, I am so happy most of my flist is all ♥SHOW♥ The few who are not, I know to avoid their episode reviews.

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

I'm going a step further and removing them from my reading list, because I have no self-control and always click even when I know I shouldn't.

♥SHOW♥

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Oh there's bashing again???... man, I'm glad I don't go to those places. My awesome flist is... well.... awesome.


I understand us being passionate - my god, I've just ranted passionately myself (in a good way!) but to actually bash a character makes NO SENSE to me.

And beside - how can they bash Sam when it clearly isn't Sam?? Makes no sense to me.

*clings* to sane fans...

:D :D

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

Yes, there's bashing and I AM SAD.

They're bashing Sam by saying: "See? Sam has been this way all along from day 1 AND WE TOLD YOU SO!" basically. I really don't know what show they're watching.

[spookysquall.livejournal.com]

Take me with you! *LOL*

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

*hauls you on board the faithful sailing vessel Sane Fans*

Welcome aboard!

[heartlessbytchh.livejournal.com]

OMFG ya''! Carry On My Wayward Son just came on! I kid you not!
Am I showing my age naoww?
We must rise above the noise and confusion and get a glimpse beyond the illusion.

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

\o/

I dunno. It's on my playlist too, and I think I'm a bit younger than you are.

[bellatemple]

Man, I always miss the interesting drama.

*looks at shiny happy silver lining fannish flist. Glomps the hell out of it.*

Though now I'm curious as all get out if there was something specific that prompted this post.

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

Oh, there was no drama. Just a meta that upset me because the writer basically spent all of it saying something to the effect that Sam has never been the "good boy" that the writers/creators/Sam!girls wanted us to believe he was, and now he's showing his true colours, or whatever.

I got upset, and therefore crawled back here with my tail between my legs to whine to my flist about it. Because you guys always come through to make me feel better. :)

[heartlessbytchh.livejournal.com]

Oh, there was no drama. Just a meta that upset me because the writer basically spent all of it saying something to the effect that Sam has never been the "good boy" that the writers/creators/Sam!girls wanted us to believe he was, and now he's showing his true colours, or whatever.
FTFF sentence... works, I'm tellin' ya *whispers*

""""Yes, because they totally knew how Sam was supposed to be interpreted more than the writers of the actual show did.""""
Great snark, Bella!
*laffs*

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

LOL

You and that sentence! Quit trying to make me swear more than I already do! I work with cops, I have a mouth like a sewer. ;)

[harrigan.livejournal.com]

Amen! One reason why I love your LJ and I love your fic. [hugs you]

[ratherastory.livejournal.com]

*hugs you back*

Gaaaaaah. It makes me afraid to read people's metas, and I don't want that!